Your thoughts on an old idea.

[stevewilliams]

Frank,

I think you have your answer right in your picture there. There is a concept there, the models are anonymous. You can achieve this in sculpture or painting more easily than in photography. There's nothing wrong with trying to achieve nothing more than a flattering shot of a particular model. We don't have to classify it as art or not. Everyone likes a picture of a pretty girl and every model likes to be seen as pretty. So we can just have fun with it.

But if we want to be philosophical and express a concept, the universal, not particular, in a photograph, that's okay too. Again, we non't need to label it art or not, but it's a different result we are trying to achieve, and much harder. This is because it's hard to get away from the particular in photography. It is a recognizable person we are shooting.

I don't think that it's so much planning the shoot, as having the bigger picture in mind while you're shooting. In this sense it becomes somewhat like photojournalism. We are waiting for "the decisive moment".

I like to shoot swimsuit, it has a different aspect than nudes. It's about fun in the sun and watching the girls and them knowing and loving that they're watched. This in itself is a concept. But once I got lucky, or so I think, and got something more. But I was lucky because I was prepared for it when it presented itself.

Steve

[lobofw]

Your comments here present other things for me to think about.
Something in what you said reminded me of a B&W photo of an old man I once saw in a magizine. I don't remember the mag. but I'm most have seen something similar. To me I thought it had art like qualities, yet it was a photojournalistic piece.

Thank you for your thoughts,

[lobofw]

I like your insight, and I asked myself another question [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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Assuming we apply our skill and creativity, then the anticipated purpose is all else that matters.


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By improving and applying our skill and creativity, does this also raise our level of purpose and anticipated results in even the simplest of forms?

[Doug_Lester]

I think so. Actually as skill level improves, purposes may remain the same, but ultimate uses may change. For example, I shot the attached photo back in about 1990 with the intent of showing line, texture and form in the female figure as a work of art. My immediate intent was to interest an art gallery and to please the model. It worked and was exhibited several times and sold (sells) quite well to collectors. But beyond that, with slight changes in the crop it also found commercial uses ranging from a magazine ad to a couple of plastic surgeon's brochures. So because we shot an image for one purpose, if the image is well done from all or at least most respects, then actual uses might change.

[lobofw]

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So because we shot an image for one purpose, if the image is well done from all or at least most respects, then actual uses might change.


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I see what your saying and this does create or brings to bare a bigger picture.

Thanks Again,